Target, 1 million signatures worldwide.
Currently 560,125, not many from UK but it is 03:30 Weds am.
"As Qaddafi's jets drop bombs on the Libyan people, the UN Security Council will decide in 48 hours whether to impose a no-fly zone to keep the government's warplanes on the ground.
Together, we've already flooded the Security Council with messages, "overwhelming" the President's office and helping to win serious targeted sanctions on the Libyan regime - now, to stop the bloodshed, we need a massive outcry of 1 million messages for a no-fly zone.
If Qaddafi can't dominate the air, he loses a key weapon in a war in which civilians are paying the heaviest price. But as long as his helicopter gunships and bombers are in the air, the death toll will rise. "
h/t http://feb17.info/
Update 10th March.
Gaddafi plays the race card. Blames it all on Gypos and Pakis "targeting youngsters and brainwashing them with weapons, drugs and sometimes money. "
42 comments:
If regimes are to changed, then it is best done properly, unlike Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hi Francis, so would a sanction from the UN make "best done properly" and, if so, by whom?
You may very well think that, Banned. I couldn't possibly comment.
I have, however, formulated an alternative strategy. I have despatched a crack team of SAS to Libya with a large bag full of money, conveniently seized recently from a ship bound for Tripoli. I have instructed that they make contact with the foreign mercenary leaders currently supporting Gadaffi and pay them to change sides.
I feel that this is a far more sensible approach than the US' so called 'shock and awe' where,of course, the shock would only occur if it actually worked and the 'awe' is at their terrible naivety of approach. It is also a 'no cost' option as the money cost us nothing in the first instance.
Unfortunately, we seem to have lost contact with our team in Libya for the time being.
It's a revolution, and there are no rules. When the country is leveled the side still standing lives on to rule.
Just signed Banned and wow, the names are pouring in! Good job and great post!
Who knows Francis, perhaps that web petition is a front for US Ultra Conservative types eager to strike anonymously at Gaddafi?
Using Gaddafis own "printed in UK" money supply to suborn his child mercenaries is a capital idea for which you have my full support.
The lead sergeant of our crack SAS (SBS) squad, "Ross Kemp" (wink) patched through a message to me
"Who the...(static) got us into this shitstorm? Some... (static) Rupert twat..." end of message.
I do agree that our American friends can be less than sensitive to local conditions and ignore our experience in the area (as usual) The names Benghazi, Tobruk and Tripoli being familiar to me from childhood as they featured in my fathers wartime RN service as a CPO(wireless telegraphy).
Hi Woodsie; there are rules, even in revolutions, like not attacking and occupying Embassies.
Our Special Forces incursion broke those rules hence our humiliating exit.
As hinted in my post to F.U. above, our SAS (SBS) boys could have shot their way out to a certain degree and to no good end. They did well to surrender without bloodshed.
Your choice Chris; after all, this is a democracy. Happily a bit more input from Europe and Britain as the world turns.
01:30 Thurs a.m. 750,000 petitioners, Brazil for some reason seeming to be 'over-represented'.
Never realised you were so gullible. Have you seen these "freedom" fighters. With massive belts of "ammo" and the latest guns? Where do you think they got these from?
Both sides of this conflict are being supported by the American and Europeans.
If the old regime falls the new one will take its place and it's back to status quo and the oil will be safe.
Do please wake-up Banned
This petition is sponsored by AVAAZ. A propaganda machine if ever I saw one.
Allegedly the fine upstanding righter-of-wrongs George Soros funds it.
Hi George and welcome, never realised you read my humble blog.
I welcome contrary views George but this post is not an endorsement of that petition, merely another opportunity to promote it to those who might wish to support it, for example my old friend Chris at Conservative Perspective.
See my reply to Francis Urquhart
"Who knows Francis, perhaps that web petition is a front for US Ultra Conservative types eager to strike anonymously at Gaddafi?"
Petition now stands at 814,780 but seems to have peaked, not unlike the rebellion itself while a Brit Gov spokesthing tells us that a no-fly zone will need a demand from " the greater proportion of the Libyan people" (?WTF), the UN. the Arab League, the Pan African Congress and the Gulf Co-operation Council.
They will probably rush that through in about 2 years.
Meanwhile as in Hungary '56 and the Prague Spring '68 we will wring our hands and shamefully do nothing.
Dear Banned
It is about time we stayed out of other country's internal affairs. What gives the right to "Western" powers to interfere.
The less we interfere the better.
The propaganda merchants at the Tavistock institute will always pump-up public opinion through their "tamed" media to get the public to believe that we are doing things for humanitarian reasons when the fact is we are doing it for oil and multinational companies.
Don't let "Banned" be another conduit for their propaganda. Continue to fight for the individual not "groups" not "political parties" and not "freedom fighters".
OK George, I surrender; hey everybody I'm just a lackey in the pay of Big Oil, do as George says and don't allow the UN to aid the commie/Islamist scum causing trouble to our dear friend Gaddafi and his lovely sons.
Will the UN help to overthrow our Gov't if a few thousand chavs for instance hang around city squares in Birmingham and Manchester for a couple of weeks and don't go home when they are told to. Then if they arm themselves and start shooting at the Police/Army does this constitute a civil war and the Army not be allowed to fight back and that whatever demands these chavs have must be met because it's the will of the people?.
After all they are only trying to overthrow a corrupt and evil regime.
Hi Spackers, welcome.
No, the difference is where a government is using its air superiority to kill essentially unarmed civilians.
Hey Banned
Don't try to paint me as a Gaddafi lover. I'm neither for or against. Too many people in this World know fuck-all what day of the week it is but know all about how to run everyone else's lives.
The UN is just another corrupt bunch of wankers living high on the hog and interfering with the little mans rights. If you like the UN then you like the EU.
I belong to no party and I vote for nobody. I'm a bleedin' INDIVIDUAL. I believe in INDIVIDUALS not groups. Not communism. Not Islamism. Not Conservatism. Not Blairism or any other "ism" you care to think about.
Re Avaaz.org
A quick Google reveals the following
"Avaaz.org was co-founded by ResPublica, an American community of public sector professionals dedicated to promoting good governance, civic virtue and deliberative democracy, and MoveOn.org, an American non-profit progressive public policy advocacy group and political action committee. Not so promising.
"Canadian minister John Baird labeled Avaaz a "shadowy foreign organization" tied to billionaire activist George Soros Not so good (seems George was right).
Other petitions have included
2007 "American failure to agree to specific, binding global goals" petition signed by 355,000 (global warming bollox) .
2008 "Chinese President Hu Jintao on Tibet, calling for "restraint and respect for human rights" 1.4 million, (better)
In January 2009, Avaaz.org was also running the following campaigns:
against the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict.
against violence, disease and hunger in Zimbabwe.
for a European peacekeeping force in war-torn Congo.
against the 2008 Mumbai attacks.
online petition against the Anti-Homosexual Bill in Uganda.
May 2010 Avaaz.org joined with 38 Degrees (against privatisation of UK Forests).
June 2010, call for an investigation into the Israeli interception of a Gaza aid flotilla, 300,000 petitioners.
Campaign to save Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani from imminent execution in Iran.
September 2010 petition against "a draconian and unconstitutional new secrecy Bill" in South Africa.
Save the bees: an online petition launched in January 2011.
Solidarity with the people of Egypt: an online petition launched in January 2011.
A wide and varied seriese of conflicts that have one thing in common, not a lot of oil, except for Iran and maybe Congo.
George, the above comment re Google was posted before seeing your piece immediatly above it.
TTFN
Dear Banned, Don't get me wrong. I love all blogs, well nearly all. I like your style. Nobody reads the "mainstream" media except for entertainment.
OK, having said that. Could you please take the time to read this article in the Daily Bell.
http://www.thedailybell.com/1839/The-Unspontaneous-Libyan-Revolution.html
I think it may put the referendum call is a new light.
From here it appears that those calling for a "no fly zone" consist of the usual suspects.
If the Afghanistan war is considered by these twats to be "illegal", what makes them think a "U.N mandate" will make the slightest bit of fucking difference THIS time?
OR, is that exactly what they want. Get some action going that they can later deny, and then use to accuse "Government"/the Military of illegal acts?
Hi George, sorry about the contraints of life-work balance in the speed of my response.
It's difficult to know what your views are since you don't seem to have a blog of your own.
Yes, agreed, the UN are a bunch of pussy footed wankers only good for providing a living for the offspring of assorted dictators and kleptomaniacs as allowed by America and the west in general.
Sadly, following the experience of Iraq and Afghanistan it is the approval of these self seeking cunts that we need in order to come to the aid of the Libyan People even in the case of a limited "no fly zone".
It took years of atrocities and the exposure of the murder of thousands of men and boys at Srebrenica before The West acted, against the UN wishes or China and Russia.
In effect we are fucked if we do (intervene) and we are fucked if we don't.
I will now read your Daily Mail link, but only after supper and probably tomorrow.
Dear Banned
It's Daily BELL not Mail
The Daily Mail is what you hang in out-house to wipe your bum.
Surely it's best to either nuke Northern Africa or just let them get on with it.
They're not 'freedom fighters', any more than Gaddafi is a decent head of state.
Let it burn.
Thank you for the link George and for introducing me to the DailyBell
"Alliance for Youth Movements", US version of Moscows 1970's "Agitprop"?
It's an interesting idea that America is behind the unrest within her former allies, presumably in the hope of controlling the outcome. Such hubris has been seen before but they must know that they would be riding the tiger.
"While it is no doubt true that the rebels are composed of average Libyan citizens along with many deserters from the Libyan army"
No-one can control a revolution once it has got going.
Oh please George > "Additional Islamic republics only buttress Western authoritarianism at home and provide the pretext for further domestic oppression." So the Tri-City Illuminati elite is formenting unrest throughout Araby to encourage the establishment of Islamic regimes with which to scare us into accepting yet more Homeland Security?
Furor Teutonicus Hi, well at least a UN mandate would enable a no-fly enforcer (US, Egypt, Saudi?) to go in without worrying about some prick magistrate from no-where special seeking criminal indictment of the pilots or politicians responsible.
English Viking Welcome, Nuke the bastards seems somewhat disproportionate given that neither side presents a threat to 'us' but "let them get on with it" is certainly a valid view. We are morally fucked whatever we do or not, at least that would not cost us in blood or teasure.
XX banned said...
Furor Teutonicus Hi, well at least a UN mandate would enable a no-fly enforcer (US, Egypt, Saudi?) to go in without worrying about some prick magistrate from no-where special seeking criminal indictment of the pilots or politicians responsible.XX
It has not stopped same pricks trying it with the Afghani war.
XX George said...
The Daily Mail is what you hang in out-house to wipe your bum.XX
Really? We use a koran. Much better quality paper.
Gentlepeople, having read the comments above, I think I would side with George. It's pretty obvious that Libya being a tribal country, that the tribe that is not Qaddafi's wants a piece of the action. I have no doubt that they are being financed by the west, certainly the Americans and probably, our Zionist friends. There is no chance that the Americans will let the oil in the world's second largest oil producer, to be a question of any debate as to where it's going to end up. We have already seen oil prices shoot up which will hold back any stuttering recovery that we might have had. Makes you wonder what we did, when Libya was a pariah state and there oil wasn't being exported? George, is also right when he says that the 'rebels' have sophisticated weaponry. What happens if we wade in with a no-fly zone and Qaddafi wins through. Is he going to say, fuck you, my oil is going to China and would the west allow that?
Just as a final thought. All this increase in the price of oil is obviously going to lead to a sharp increase in inflation. I bet Steady Eddie at the BoE, is beginning to wonder about his policy of pumping money into the economy now as some of us warned.
XX George, is also right when he says that the 'rebels' have sophisticated weaponry.XX
BMP 1s and RPG7s?
"Sophisticated"???
Because that's basically is all I have seen them with on the news.
Dear Furor Teutonicus, When I say "sophisticated" I mean things that fire bullets and large enough to bring aircraft down as opposed to a stick with a nail in it and a machete.
If you were a "rebel" fighting in the UK you wouldn't just nip down to Asda to get your car loaded up with "special offer" guns and ammo would you?
So guess who's supplying the gear?
Go on. Take a guess.
Dear Furor Teutonicus, I think you might be right about the Daily Mail but I think you would get much more use out of the Bible. It's bigger than the Koran.
XX George said...
If you were a "rebel" fighting in the UK you wouldn't just nip down to Asda to get your car loaded up with "special offer" guns and ammo would you? XX
Berlin, Liverpool, Paris, etc?
I could go and get you an AKM, AK-47, Uzi, (what do you need?) within the day, and I am sure an ASDA is just round the corner.
XX So guess who's supplying the gear?
Go on. Take a guess.XX
BMPs? RPG7s?
Russia actualy. Or any number of other client states that have been equipped by both Russia and the soviet union since 1945. Particularly China. Or any number of bent "soldiers" who have the keys to the local "T.A" hall.
You talk about weaponary as if it is some big mystic, mythological beastie that must be carefully hunted and nurtured.
It is NOT. Any bazarr will sell you anything you want in the Middle and far East. The Western world is a touch more difficult, but...
@ Furor Teutonicus "It has not stopped same pricks trying it ( IT > "some prick magistrate from no-where special seeking criminal indictment of the pilots ") with the Afghani war." Really? Magistrates have tried to indict pilots or politicians in the Afghan war?
Hi Dark Lochnagar, old buddy, I always knew that you would side with George you bastard; never mind, I don't. Sorry got home a bit pissed and will reply properly tomorrow. Meanwhile, did you follow his link ?
It's the Jews wot done it
It's about how the Washington/London/Vatican City Illuminati Yids control everythig in the interest of world Jewery and the Rothschilds and how this relates to events in Libya.
As to the price of oil increasing as a result, that is total bollox since Libya produces just two per cent of the worlds oil which is dwarfed (dwarved?) by the reserves of the International Energy Agency (or somesuch) and which Saudi Arabia has countered by increased production since they, rightly, consider Gaddafi to be a cunt.
XX banned said...
@ Furor Teutonicus "It has not stopped same pricks trying it
Really? Magistrates have tried to indict pilots or politicians in the Afghan war? XX
I suposse "their sort" would have been better. But I am sure with all the lefty shite about the "illegality" of the war in Afghanistan and Irak, it would not be hard to find someone, maybe even a magistrate, that has looked into the option.
Apropo "lefty shite". Wouldn't they just LOVE the chance to denigrate the West, and our armed forces, yet AGAIN, as the first Libyan was shot down? But first, as in chess, they have to place their pieces. In this case "suporting the "U.N resolution" ensures the troops are where they want them. THEN comes the attack "It is an illegal war!!"
Just a thought. (I'm a bit bored)
"illegal war" and "war criminal"
There is no such thing on the side that "wins".
They only exist on the side that loses.
update 12th March
Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya
"Now it moves to the Security Council in New York"
XX Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya XX
Good. Then let THEM enforce it.
WE do not want them accusing us yet again of being the "evil colonialist invaders of an arab land" now. Do we?
The ragheads don't want us helping in Afghanistan, or Irak. O.K. We know when to leave well alone. Let the bastards sort out their OWN problems.
FTArab League backs no-fly zone in Libya
"Good. Then let THEM enforce it".
Quite so, as I suggested in my initial response to you. Egypt has plenty of aircraft though most of them are probably crapped out MIGs but Saudi Arabia, Kuwait amd the Sheikdoms have plenty of modern US and European armaments.
I too agree with George. What are our interests in Libya other than oil? We've already lost 359 in Afghanistan because of oil. Gaddafi is a dangerous enemy.
No, let the African nations sort it out.
Hi Subrosa, What are our interests in Libya other than oil?? How about humanity?
Way back when a bit of trouble in Libya would have been a minor irritant, solved by sending in a gunboat; now that we have no gunboats left I suppose we must leave it to the locals, Egypt and Saudi.
This is not gonna end well, Banned.
They should all be stuffed, like they are trying to do to poor knut the polar bear!
Happy April Fool's Day! Do you celebrate April 1st as that day over the pond? There are no shortage of fools the world over who will be celebrating their national Holiday....of course we and your smart readers won't.
I'll be celebrating the Cubs home opener, and I hope they kick the crap out of those PA pirate wankers ;-)
It could have ended well Bunni!
The brave people of Benghazi deserved our support but instead we left them in the lurch just like Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia during their failed Prague spring and the Marsh Arabs following Gulf War 1.
Even now we are umming and arring about whether it would be legal to supply them with arms given the arms embargo on Libya as a whole.
Whole lot of bollox more like; you can bet your last dollar that Gadaffi is undepleting his forces using whatever mens he can.
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